The whole thing comes up because of the recent disruption of several flights (most commonly from New York to Israel) by ultra-Orthodox Jewish men who believe that that their religion forbids them to sit next to a woman they're not married to. According to a piece on the issue in the New York Times:
“The ultra-Orthodox have increasingly seen gender separation as a kind of litmus test of Orthodoxy — it wasn’t always that way, but it has become that way,” said Samuel Heilman, a professor of sociology at Queens College. “There is an ongoing culture war between these people and the rest of the modern world, and because the modern world has increasingly sought to become gender neutral, that has added to the desire to say, ‘We’re not like that.’”While many rabbis counsel that there's nothing wrong with a man sitting next to a woman on public transportation unless he's trying to get sexual gratification out of their proximity -- and it's hard to imagine that being likely on an airplane, although people do weird things sometimes -- there are Jewish men who will make an issue of it. And hold up the entire flight until someone accommodates their request.
Ultra-Orthodox Jews [image courtesy of the Wikimedia Commons]
I was having a discussion with a buddy of mine about the No-Gurlz-Allowed attitude of ultra-Orthodox Jewish men, and my initial thought was that demanding that the Jewish men cave in and do something that they thought was immoral might be discriminatory:
Enforcing company policies (mixed male/female seating, for example) could easily be claimed as discrimination. Their religious practices make a demand on them that is impossible to meet unless airlines change their practices. How is this different from saying that an evangelical Christian has to serve gays?My friend responded thusly:
There's no discrimination. The airline sells you a seat. There's no guarantee if you will be seated next to a man, woman, Muslim, homosexual, transsexual, etc. If this bothers you, it is incumbent upon you to buy two seats so you can guarantee that no one who bothers you will be seated next to you. Or, you have to hope that you can switch seats with someone else. But you have no right to hold up a flight if you can't find anyone willing to do that.And, of course, he's right. You buy a plane ticket, you know ahead of time that you're going to get at most a single package of stale pretzels to eat on the entire flight, that the person next to you is going to immediately recline his seat so that his head is nearly in your lap... and that you could be seated next to anyone. If your religion demands that you never sit next to a woman, you have to find an alternate means of transportation.
After all, you're the one who has accepted a belief system that significantly restricts what you can do. It's not the airline's fault you bought in.
An even more interesting question, though, is how far I'd go to accommodate such beliefs, should I be asked to switch seats. My friend said the following:
Now, would I trade seats with the ultra-Orthodox Jew? If it is an even swap -- aisle for aisle or window for window -- sure. I may even do an aisle for window or vice versa. But I would not swap a window or aisle seat for a middle seat just to be nice to him.I dunno. I'd be a little more peevish in that situation, I think. I'd want an upgrade. "You want to make demands that everyone in the world meet your needs? Fine. You can sit in the middle seat between two space hogs who wear too much cologne and insist on claiming both armrests. I'll take your nice window seat. Thanks ever so."
But that's just me. Like I said, I try to be nice, most of the time, but sometimes the Intolerant Asshole side of me comes out on top.
These days, pretty much every airline charges extra for the more popular seats. How much trouble is it for someone who knows they might want to change seats, to pay $15 extra (or whatever it is) for a premium seat so that they have something worthwhile to offer in trade? I choose my seats with care, board early so that I can put my luggage in the overhead, try to get near the front... I don't want just any seat. Also, I think God would forgive them if they make an honest effort to comply with their religion's requirements but the world doesn't co-operate.ReplyDelete
If one of these guys did board late to make sure he was sitting near, made a fuss, and ended up sitting by me, I think I'd wait until the flight was underway, and then tell him how handsome he was and ask where he's staying in wherever we're flying to. Maybe we could get together for a drink?
I agree. If we go allowing this kind of religious stuff that can't deal with simple public transport seating, where will it end!ReplyDelete
Last time I was on an airline flight, it didn't bother me that I was seated next to a woman (can't remember much about her or even what she looked like). What bothered me was that when the 'free drinks' cart rolled up, I looked over the choices and my jaw dropped. Various cheap beers, white label 'Beam', red label 'Walker'. I was on my feet in an instant and with eyes ablaze I declared, "no wonder they're free! They probably can't get rid of this bottom shelf piss!" I broke into unimpressed laughter and luckily everyone else laughed with me.
I know ... I know, they're free, so shut up Woody!
I know but on a first class flight can we not expect a selection including a lovely single malt, maybe some of the finer spiced rums! But no, no, we had a selection of the cheapest, nastiest bottom-shelf version of every alcoholic beverage. I'm still sore about it.